Why Angelina & Billy Bob's Saga Holds A Moral For

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Why Angelina & Billy Bob's Saga Holds A Moral For

Postby Miss Moon » Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:59 pm

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There Are Happy People in Hollywood, but for Each of Them, How Many Are in Torment?

It is Monday, and here I am at Morton's. It is humming here tonight, despite all of the recent stock market blues and the sad news that the nation is apparently slipping into another recession--or maybe another leg of the same recession.

I am at a tiny table near the bar, because I just decided on my way in from Malibu that I wanted to see what was what here. There are Alan and Marilyn Bergman, world-famous movie music composers ( "The Way We Were" comes to mind, although they have composed many, many others.)

I also spot Irwin Winkler, who produces the Woody Allen movies. He looks quite happy. Then there is a director named Mr. Campbell--Martin Campbell, actually, though around these parts, he's just Mr. Campbell--who just directed Beyond Borders, a movie with the lovely Angelina Jolie.

This is a big coincidence, as Angelina and her estranged hubby, Billy Bob Thornton, have been on my mind a lot lately. I used to know Billy Bob back in the day. He was a roly-poly, cheerful fellow who was a regular on a show called Hearts Afire.

It was a good politically themed sitcom made by Harry Thomason, a great pal of Bill Clinton. I was on it a few times, and Clinton's brother, George, was the bandleader. He seemed like a happy-go-lucky fellow himself.

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Postby Tuesday » Thu Aug 15, 2002 7:00 pm

Wow.
Thanks.

I've thought that too, I saw Billy Bob last week on a movie on TV (Tombstone or Wyatt Erp or something) and he was fat (way fat ) and so different it was hard to think it was the same person.
I don't think Angelina would have hooked up with him if she'd met him in those days, he looked like a dork.

Same with Angelina in a way, some of the old pictures during the "Johnny" days where her hair is short and she weighs maybe 15 or 20 pounds (almost plump in a few pictures I've seen) more than now, that doesn't seem like her in some of them either.

Losing that weight may have been hard, or contributed to some kind of denial thing, but it sure did make both of them look better!

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Postby OriginalSinner147 » Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:55 am

not try'n to get on your case Tuesday, but did u mean that as shallow as it sounded? maybe i missinterpreted or something cause i didnt take u 4 that kind of person.



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Postby Tuesday » Fri Aug 16, 2002 8:27 am

Wow, it does sound that way doesn't it?
I admit I have have some food/starvation issues that may cloud my perception a little, but I really think if everyone was being honest the truth is we're all a little shallow or we we'd never have found this site:

Really, if Angelina thought and said the things she does, but she was as fat as Anna Niclole Smith (stay with me here, try to visualize please!)
Would you really have taken notice of what she did say, or made the connection of the similarity you felt with her?

Would you even have read the first Angelina article to find out what she thought if the picture that went with it was a 250 pound bloated Elvis looking girl?
I don't think so, and I think in those first articles where she was telling about cutting herself and all of her self destructive things we would have taken it much differently if we were hearing it from someone who weighed 200 pounds, the truth is we probably would have contributed her misery to the weight.

There's always been something charismatic about tortured beauty (and Angie is the best example). It gives the tortured and not-so-beautiful something they can identify with, and role model their own misery after, in a way that will make it feel not so unattractive to them.
(Ugly/Crazy just isn't cool, Fat/Sad we want to run from).

I'm shallow, but so is anyone who's reading this - don't kid yourself.

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Postby DarkDance » Fri Aug 16, 2002 12:01 pm

! :o

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Postby OriginalSinner147 » Fri Aug 16, 2002 12:05 pm

im not kidding myself thank you. but this is true to some degree everyone is shallow. well said tuesday.

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Postby DarkDance » Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:42 am

Insightful and disturbing (as you usually are) Tuesday.
I wanted to tell you that the first time I answered, but I needed more time to think about it.

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Postby OriginalSinner147 » Sat Aug 17, 2002 9:25 am

this is true. i wonder wut the world would be like if no one was shallow? a completely different place no doubt. but i guess all we can do is try to see something deeper when we catch ourselves being that way. is anyone deep at all?

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Postby DreamingWild » Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:27 pm

;) i'm not shallow... :D what bothers me is not the anna nicole is fat, but that she plays the dumb blonde role sooo well.


right so, about a billion years ago and for like a week until abstracts was hacked...i was the pic person. :D so here are some horrid pics for those of you who have no idea what "fat" billy looked like...and "plump" jolie. :ph34r:


(wow, could that be the same billy who is now a stick figure??)

http://shagpro.com/mrbrown/celeb/97spirit5.jpghttp://shagpro.com/mrbrown/celeb/97spirit5.jpg


(this is billy after they told him he needed to loose the poundage..ignore the fat guy in the suit, i just thought it was hilarious)

bsnn.net/separated/Billy%20Bob%20Zinni.jpghttp://www.bsnn.net/separated/Billy%20Bob%20Zinni.jpg


(and now stick billy and why he always wears a hat:)

pixunlimited.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/gallery/2001/05/14/billybobPA.gifhttp://www.pixunlimited.co.uk/sys-images/F.../billybobPA.gif



(right so, it's like *someone* went into cyberspace and burned all her early pics, cuz this is the closest i could find to "plump"...niiice dress btw. :D )

wutheringjolie.com/pics/photography/early/early10.jpghttp://www.wutheringjolie.com/pics/photogr...rly/early10.jpg

(oh but wait, theres more! first of all, jump for joy, my fave website is back up...and i've never seen this early pic before....:D..and yeah, i guess you can say she wasn't her stick figure self. )

temploangelina.com/fotos/miscelanea/album/adolescente/adolescente01.jpghttp://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/miscel...olescente01.jpg


(now i hate to do this buuutt...tee hee, i found another one)

temploangelina.com/fotos/posados/posados/angelina051.jpghttp://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/posado...angelina051.jpg


(ok, and this is her NOW..or you know, relaly skinny and gangly like)


temploangelina.com/fotos/posados/posados/angelina107.jpghttp://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/posado...angelina107.jpg


(aaand if you don't think thats skinny, lookit: )


temploangelina.com/fotos/posados/posados/angelina039.jpghttp://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/posado...angelina039.jpg




sooooo...yeah, i had extra time today. :D.

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Postby OriginalSinner147 » Sat Aug 17, 2002 3:49 pm

your adorable an funny , Dream! :crazyjump: still though in none of her pics is she fat! just a little 'festively plump' heh heh but those bbt pics are a riot!

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Postby DreamingWild » Sun Aug 18, 2002 1:08 pm

B)

yeah, well, i try. :lol:

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Postby Tuesday » Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:19 am

Dreamin Wild YOU ROCK!
I'd forgotten how good you were at pulling the most impossible pictures out of thin air!!!

Those were the best - I'd never seen that first one of Angelia, WOW!
Where do you come up with these things?

And now, if you'll excuse me I just realized I need to drop about 10 pounds from this body that houses my shallow mind!
JOKE!
(Ok, kind of a joke),
but really what a difference (would you say 15 or 20?) pounds make on Angelina huh?
And him! Forget it!! He looks like some guy the other guy maybe met once.

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Postby OriginalSinner147 » Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:15 pm

was that really him in the 'separated at birth' one?

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Postby DreamingWild » Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:16 pm

:unsure: i hope its not him in the spereated at bitrth pic. :P

i think as long as you're happy with yourself, you don't need to look like everyone thinks you should.

:D


thanks. i just looove having so much time on my hands that i get to do this. :D

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Postby GirlInterrupted » Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:51 pm

thanks for the pics :D and feel free to post some more up :P

Just wondering do u think she got skinny after filming gia?? i read somewhere that that movie took alot out of her like she gave up acting for awhile.. she felt lost :( and beaten down. I mean she even really shaved her head for that movie...it might explain why she got skinny

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Postby DreamingWild » Wed Aug 21, 2002 8:52 pm

weeeeeeelll, i do notice that in gia she has what can only be described as chicken legs. I don' think shaving is a biggie though, I mean how many people would get stressed over being bald? :P

aahh! chicken legs!

wutheringjolie.com/pics/movies/gia/gia4.jpghttp://www.wutheringjolie.com/pics/movies/gia/gia4.jpg




welp, i couldn't find the pic i wanted...for hose of you that have the dvd or movie, its when she's on the motorcycle with the dude...her legs are compltetely--eeew. I'd rather like a "festively plump" angelina. :D

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Postby DarkDance » Thu Aug 22, 2002 10:41 pm

Dreamin Wild:
PLEASE SEND MORE PICTURES!
I'd like to see:
1) Angelina's mom if she ever looked like her in any pictures (she looks kind of crazy to me in pictures nowdays).
2) More James Haven (something older than the past 3 years - something BEFORE the "Oscar Kiss".
3) This brother of Billy Bob's that is dead that Angelina listed as the one person she would have liked to have met.
4) Anything else you think is cool

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Postby DreamingWild » Fri Aug 23, 2002 1:48 pm

wow, a list! ok let's seee

1) Marcheline

temploangelina.com/fotos/miscelanea/album/padres/padres04.JPGhttp://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/miscel...es/padres04.JPG

there's something about the eyes that is reminiscent.

temploangelina.com/fotos/miscelanea/album/padres/padres05.jpghttp://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/miscel...es/padres05.jpg


2) Young James

temploangelina.com/fotos/miscelanea/album/familia/familia03.jpghttp://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/miscel...a/familia03.jpg

he looks so cute in the picture above. :P

temploangelina.com/fotos/miscelanea/album/hermano/james2http://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/miscel.../hermano/james2
6.JPG

wutheringjolie.com/pics/family/family7.jpghttp://www.wutheringjolie.com/pics/family/family7.jpg

this has to have been before...when did james have a scruffy beard? angelina looks drunk......:lol:


3) Have no idea who you're talking about, but i'll check--yeah, about that brother....there is a


4)cool pics. well this is easy. :D


temploangelina.com/fotos/miscelanea/album/familia/familia07.jpghttp://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/miscel...a/familia07.jpg

i'e always thought this pic was neat. It shows how happy she is around kids...and, she looks so dorky in the einsntein shirt. :P

temploangelina.com/fotos/filmografia/videosmusicales/rolling/rolling11.jpghttp://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/filmog...g/rolling11.jpg

and this because well, its the rolling stones, she has the short hair which i've always loved, and even though she's walking around in her underwear in a fur coat in the middle of the street, she looks like she'll bust your ass if you say anything about it. and this was pre TR. :lol:

temploangelina.com/fotos/posados/posados/angelina057.jpghttp://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/posado...angelina057.jpg

again, spiky short hair is hott!

temploangelina.com/fotos/posados/posados/angelina121.jpghttp://www.temploangelina.com/fotos/posado...angelina121.jpg

"i'm too sexy for my clothes, too sexy for a shirt, too sexy yeaaah"

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Postby OriginalSinner147 » Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:20 pm

aawww. dammit! i posted my pics on the wrong topic! oh well i tried.

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Postby OriginalSinner147 » Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:24 pm

omg i LOVE that last one, wild!
there not all the same pics though, go look go look!

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Postby DarkDance » Sat Aug 24, 2002 7:27 am

T H A N K Y O U !!!!
Those are great!
Ok:
The second one, in color of Marcheline is the only one I've ever seen that was up close and clear!! EVER!! They have the same coloring, and the same hair, but if I saw her now and she was that age I don't think it would occour to me that she was someone who looked like Angelina. Marcheline has good lips but they're not Angelina lips (wonder where she got lips like that?). Angelina for sure has Jon's nose and cheeks.

I love the James beard picture, he should grow that back.
He looks like Marcheline.
I never thought he was especially good looking, his features are too sharp for my taste but I think he looks damn cute there.

The BB & kids picture makes me sad, I remember thinking how happy she was the first time I saw it, and imagining how their lives were.
I also remember wondering if it would get old or become boring for her.
The kids? UGLY.
I remember at the time there were people on here posting how cute they all looked etc - but MAN! Those are some goofy looking kids.

Underwear in New York: Great picture, great look!

thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!!!

Send more?

Have any of extended family also? (uncles, aunts, anything like that?)

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Postby DreamingWild » Tue Aug 27, 2002 3:06 pm

you're very very very welcome. :D

ok lets see...the only extended family i've seen is Jon Voights niece, which would be Angelina's cousin...she's blonde...she showed up with jon and jamie at the Oscars last year. I couldn't find pics though, no one made screen caps...but, if you recorded it, it was on E! and they talked to her and all.


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