Two Faces Of Rumsfeld

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Postby ADRIANA_A » Fri May 09, 2003 4:54 am

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guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.htmlI'M shocked (1)

Now, I know that my respect for Bush has always been fairly non-existent, but the kind of disgust I hold for this hypocrite of a man, is unspeakable.

He is a conniving manipulative hypocrite who has more links to corruption than anyone else. He had links with Saddam and was part of a convoy who sold him anthrax and other destructive weapons.....which is why he was so adamant that Saddam had them. he should know, he's still got the receipt!!!!

When will his people start questioning him...or do you think they're even capable of it??

informationclearinghouse.info/images/handshake300.jpgLOST LOVES......SADDAM AND RUMSFELD....Aww, doesn't it make you cry when you see friends break up... :lol:

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Postby laura l » Fri May 09, 2003 5:32 pm

I'm just not surprised :rolleyes: I'm not surprised either by the fact that Lancsgrl, txchick and the likes aren't showing up......are they in want of pro-American articles to plagirize? Or maybe waiting for CNN to tell them what to reply. Mind you CNN will never talk about it, so they'll never have anything to say......Come on ladies, bring it on, it's time to prove you have brains...

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Postby heloise » Fri May 09, 2003 5:54 pm

laura l wrote: I'm just not surprised :rolleyes: I'm not surprised either by the fact that Lancsgrl, txchick and the likes aren't showing up......are they in want of pro-American articles to plagirize? Or maybe waiting for CNN to tell them what to reply. Mind you CNN will never talk about it, so they'll never have anything to say......Come on ladies, bring it on, it's time to prove you have brains...

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But how do you proove something which doesn't exist? :unsure: remember something that ! :o

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Postby ADRIANA_A » Fri May 09, 2003 9:15 pm

I'm not surprised either by the fact that Lancsgrl, txchick and the likes aren't showing up...


Agreed. But were we ever expecting an opinion? upon reading these threads again, it struck me how txanchc was insistent we anti-war people explain ourselves, but never once did she ever provide her own justification other than ....'i want iraqis to have the same freedom as me' ...... erm, and how are they being given that freedom ? ..... by having their arms blown off??!!!!! By being shot at by American soldiers whilst holding a rally?????! Posters like that need to look beyond their small towns and small mentalities.

It seems, it's always us having to do the explaining. But people like that are blind followers of their corrupt leaders, feel they don't need to justify themselves because they've aligned themselves with the powers-that-be. It's the independant thinkers that come up against sh**....becuase we are thinking for ourselves instead of just going along with what the govt regulated media tells us.

But how do you proove something which doesn't exist?


Harsh.....but i'm beginning to think....very true, very true.

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Postby laura l » Sat May 10, 2003 7:32 am

Agreed. But were we ever expecting an opinion? upon reading these threads again, it struck me how txanchc was insistent we anti-war people explain ourselves, but never once did she ever provide her own justification other than ....'i want iraqis to have the same freedom as me

true, but these are teh same users who ask us to write shorter posts. Know what I mean?

I think they'll never post again here. One because it must have hurt them real bad not to ahve the last word. Second because they posted about politics not out of conviction, just because at that time teh war broke out, America's international support was close to non-existent, the government absolutley needed the poeple's support. So they made sure the media bombarded teh homes with war-coverage, they obviously had the total package: digital qualitty images, dolby sound, questions and answers on teh matter, the patriotic leitmotiv, ready-made opinion, and of course teh flag that goes with it.

They were just posters of the moment, with nothing to say. They can't keep the debate going simply because they're not even sure what's being talked about. Of course we'd have to justify ourselves, they're a flock of sheep following one another, hopefully one day one of them will have teh great idea of jumping out of a cliff. Good riddance.

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Postby WHITE-POWER » Sat May 10, 2003 11:36 am

Donald Rumsfeld' hypocrisy as always been blatant. Like I keep stressing , his only future lies in euthanasia. He's a sad decrepit old fuddy-duud who has no concept of reality, truth, history and most importantly education. A true american!

Let me quote a Rumsfeld line: "Man and turtle are very much alike. Neither makes any progress without sticking his neck out.â€￾ Woah! I don't know about you people, but I'm struck down by the profoundness of this(!) He must've spent a week thinking of this one.....

Let me educate some of those americans - who by now have made it quite clear that THEY <span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Arial'>ARE INCAPABLE OF HAVING AN OPINION</span></span></span>. Furthermore, the comment I made a while back about how they only recently took a lesson in politics, is so damn true. I really do love it when I'm right about these things. And I concur what you say Laura, but I would go even further to say, that their opinions during the war weren't even much - based simply on the fact that they're nothing but a bunch of arrogant hillbillys (oops sorry helena - you high principled hypocrite!) who can't see beyond their own homes. Their comments were based on CNN, NY POST and various other mediums that target the simpletons of america. These posters have bought opinions, not based on education, personal research or conviction of a passionate belief. Generally, they have no belief system, but one that adapts according to what suits them and their selfish ways. Adriana really shouldn't have bothered with having to explain herself to that txn dick-head...that inbred, hasn't justified herself other than ....' I worry for my children...' who gives a f*** about your kids if you don't give a f*** about others sweetheart? I'm glad you and your bimbo lemmings pissed off..... hopefully you've all caught SARS and done us a favour.

Anyway, moving on , five years before Saddam Hussein’s now infamous 1988 gassing of the Kurds, a key meeting took place in Baghdad that would play a significant role in forging close ties between Saddam Hussein and Washington. It happened at a time when Saddam was first alleged to have used chemical weapons. The meeting in late December 83 paved the way for an official restoration of relations between Iraq and america, which had been severed since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war. With the Iran-Iraq war escalating, President of the time, Ronald Reagan - another incompetent basteward, dispatched his Middle East envoy, a former secretary of defence, to Baghdad with a hand-written letter to Saddam Hussein and a message that Washington was willing at any moment to resume diplomatic relations.

<span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Can you guess who that envoy was?</span></span> Although Adriana has already mentioned it...

That envoy was ..... ta-dah .... good old <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Donald Rumsfeld</span>.

Rumsfeld’s December 19-20, 1983 visit to Baghdad made him the highest-ranking yankee official to visit Iraq in 6 years. He met Saddam and the two discussed “topics of mutual interest,â€￾ according to the Iraqi Foreign Ministry. Rumsfeld was quoted as saying: “Saddam made it clear that Iraq was not interested in making mischief in the world, It struck us as useful to have a relationship, given that we were interested in solving the Mideast problems.â€￾ Anyway, just 12 days after the meeting, it was reported in The Washington Post that the united states:

'in a shift in policy, has informed friendly Persian Gulf nations that the defeat of Iraq in the 3-year-old war with Iran would be ‘contrary to U.S. interests’ and has made several moves to prevent that result.â€￾

In March of 1984, with the Iran-Iraq war growing more brutal by the day, Rumsfeld was back in Baghdad for meetings with then-Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz. On the day of his visit, March 24th, UPI reported from the United Nations that.........Mustard gas laced with a nerve agent hadbeen used on Iranian soldiers in the 43-month Persian Gulf War between Iran and Iraq, somethinga team of U.N. experts has and have concluded... Meanwhile, in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad, american presidential envoy Rumsfeld held talks with Forign Minister Tarek Aziz on the Gulf war before leaving for an unspecified destination.

The day before, the Iranian news agency alleged that Iraq launched another chemical weapons assault on the southern battlefront, injuring 600 Iranian soldiers. The UN reported that chemical weapons in the form of aerial bombs had been used in the areas inspected in Iran by the specialists and that the types of chemical agents used were bis-(2-chlorethyl)-sulfide, (also known as mustard gas) and ethyl N, N-dimethylphosphoroamidocyanidate, a nerve agent known as Tabun. .......

Prior to the release of the UN report, the US State Department on March 5th had issued a statement saying tht basically available evidence had indicated that Iraq has used lethal chemical weapons. Commenting on the UN report, US Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick said that the use of chemical weapons is a very serious matter. and ' We've made that clear in general and particular.â€￾

...........Compared with the rhetoric emanating from the current administration, based on speculations about what Saddam might have, Kirkpatrick’s reaction was hardly a call to action. Most glaring is that Donald Rumsfeld was in Iraq as the 1984 UN report was issued and said nothing about the allegations of chemical weapons use, despite State Department “evidence.â€￾ Maybe he hadn't learned to speak in full English sentences at this point, considering he is an american, but I don't want to let him off on that. However, it was completely on the contrary. It was reported in american newspapers in Macrh 84, that “American diplomats pronounce themselves satisfied with relations between Iraq and the United States and suggest that normal diplomatic ties have been restored in all but name.â€￾

A month and a half later, in May 1984, Donald Rumsfeld resgned. In November of that year, full diplomatic relations between Iraq and america were fully restored. Two years later, in an article about Rumsfeld’s aspirations to run for the 1988 Republican Presidential nomination, the Chicago Tribune Magazine listed among Rumsfeld’s achievements helping to “reopen U.S. relations with Iraq.â€￾ The Tribune failed to mention, in typical american ignorance style, that this help came at a time when.... according to the US State Department, Iraq was actively using chemical weapons. Throughout the period that Rumsfeld was Reagan’s Middle East envoy, Iraq was frantically purchasing hardware from american firms, empowered by the pricks at the white house to sell. The buying frenzy began immediately after Iraq was removed from the list of alleged sponsors of terrorism in 1982.

According to a 1991 article:

“First on Hussein's shopping list was helicopters -- he bought 60 Hughes helicopters and trainers with little notice. However, a second order of 10 twin-engine Bell "Huey" helicopters, like those used to carry combat troops in Vietnam, prompted congressional opposition in August, 1983... Nonetheless, the sale was approved.â€￾

In 1984,the State Department—'in the name of increased american penetration of the extremely competitive civilian aircraft marketâ€￾—pushed through the sale of 45 Bell 214ST helicopters to Iraq. The helicopters, worth some $200 million, were originally designed for military purposes. It ws reported that Saddam had transferred many, if not all of these helicopters to his military. Four yrs later: Saddam’s forces attacked Kurdish civilians with poisonous gas from Iraqi helicopters and planes. american ' intelligence ' (those two words should not go together...) sources put their foots in their mouths and leaked their belief that the American-built helicopters were among those dropping the deadly bombs.

In response to the gassing, sweeping sanctions were unanimously passed by the american Senate that would have denied Iraq access to most american technology. The measure was killed by the White House.

Senior officials later told reportrs they did not press for punishment of Iraq at the time because they wanted to shore up Iraq's ability to pursue the war with Iran. The murder of Iranians and their blood is all over AMERICAN hands. And all those tears , as Adriana said once, expressed by txn-dick and fat lancegrl are CROCODILE TEARS. Furthermore, extensive research uncovered no public statments by Donald Rumsfeld publicly expressing even remote concern about Iraq’s use or possession of chemical weapons until the week Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990, when he appeared on some yankee news special.

Eight years later, Donald Rumsfeld signed on to an open letter to President Clinton, calling on him to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam. It urged Clinton to provide the leadership necessary to save 'ourselves' and the world from the scourge of Saddam and the weapons of mass destruction that he refuses to relinquish........ But it was Rumsfeld dumbF*U*C*K who in 1984, <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>was the only american in the most highest posittion to draw the world’s attention to Saddam’s chemical threat. </span>He was in Baghdad as the UN concluded that chemical weapons had been used against Iran........ He was armed with a fresh communication from the State Department that it had available evidence Iraq was using chemical weapons.

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Arial'>But Rumsfeld said nothing. </span></span>

Washington now speaks of Saddam’s threat and the consequences of a failure to act. <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'> style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Despite the fact that the administration has failed to provide even a shred of concrete proof that Iraq has links to Al Qaeda</span> or has resumed production of chemical or biological agents, Rumsfeld insists that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

But, :lol: ha ha, there is evidence of the absence of Donald Rumsfeld’s voice at the very moment when Iraq’s alleged threat to international security first emerged. And in this case, the evidence of absence is indeed evidence.

But Runsfeld will never be held accountable for his hypocrisy and double standards. And neither will ANY OF THESE DUMB CORRUPT AMERICANS. The French will....dammit the entire European continent will. WE ALL HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR OUR HYPOCRISIES EXCEPT THESE YANKEE BASTARDS........and for that reason alone I am glad that I do not live in a country which has not only proven it has no sense of remorse, guilt or regret but one which surely has, through the years, managed to become the most dumbest nation on earth. And that is the truth.

The posters here, reflect it. Apart from this admin dude, who I'm more than impressed with the political posts he puts up.

Man you need a knighthood.


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